tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2629301231907528990.post8903956446089165157..comments2024-03-26T18:01:57.609+00:00Comments on Inky Fool: Filler Words Part the Third: PeopleM.H. Forsythhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01464964455944509750noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2629301231907528990.post-24105947074732948662010-07-25T20:49:39.691+01:002010-07-25T20:49:39.691+01:00Personally, I say "If X was" and let the...Personally, I say "If X was" and let the "If" do the heavy irrealis lifting. "Were X" works if I'm being formal and/or snobbish. "If X were" may be correct for some values of correct, but it just sounds wrong anymore.The Ridger, FCDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01538111197270563075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2629301231907528990.post-40399574272986148072010-07-22T10:21:39.039+01:002010-07-22T10:21:39.039+01:00I think it should have been "if cock WAS"...I think it should have been "if cock WAS", not "if cock WERE" - although both phrases look a little odd in isolation.<br /><br />Dogberry, can you or any of your readers shed any light on this?Mrs. Malaprophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11571335974754100925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2629301231907528990.post-21994166387001655492010-07-22T10:03:06.756+01:002010-07-22T10:03:06.756+01:00By chance, I saw this seaside postcard reproduced ...By chance, I saw this seaside postcard reproduced in a London newspaper yesterday - the slogan reads "A stick of rock, cock?". I think it is probably from the 1950s, although I am not sure.<br /><br />http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3RaT_8-tQ5c/TBi7HrcdpNI/AAAAAAAAKxk/3z5ejHnh0hM/s1600/mcgill.jpg<br /><br />The double entendre would only work if cock were a familiar term of address - so I am guessing it must have been used fifty years ago or so. <br /><br />My sense (and this is just from personal observation) is that it is no longer widely used in this way - I have never heard anyone address somebody else as "cock", at least not in a friendly way.Mrs. Malaprophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11571335974754100925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2629301231907528990.post-10090747527097332482010-07-22T02:26:29.669+01:002010-07-22T02:26:29.669+01:00In Tasmania, males refer to each other as 'coc...In Tasmania, males refer to each other as 'cock' (similar in meaning to 'mate'). I guess it's a British dialect form that's been preserved there. Is it used anywhere in the UK?Gordon Campbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12489454659726022382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2629301231907528990.post-30455315022370836142010-07-21T05:35:38.006+01:002010-07-21T05:35:38.006+01:00There is also "hen" - only used in Scotl...There is also "hen" - only used in Scotland and by shocked returning visitors from Scotland. Kind of like the adult "chick" in my mind. My current irritation is the insistence by certain groups of women and some media outlets to refer to women as "girls". We don't refer to men as boys unless we're being derogatory. Why is it okay to refer to women as girls? Infantilisers.Kestrelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01163873611934468418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2629301231907528990.post-36594753383038332512010-07-20T13:25:40.240+01:002010-07-20T13:25:40.240+01:00I wouldn't have said so Mrs M, but apparently ...I wouldn't have said so Mrs M, but apparently it is. Despite also citing it as a Geordie term, the Urban Dictionary's #1 definition says it's Australian and includes an etymology reasonably popular on the internet, that it derives from "the prominent udders on the cow used to advertise Norco, New South Wales' North Coast Dairy Co-Operative."<br /><br />This would explain why I'm not as familiar with it (being from the West) and also (along with Joel's points) why I would think anyone using it is a wanker. <br /><br />Which I would normally never put in writing, but it is exactly what I thought when I reflected on how I would think of someone using that term.The Antipodean, wondering why so many Australian terms are rude in one way or another,noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2629301231907528990.post-29019762985477840952010-07-20T12:59:30.647+01:002010-07-20T12:59:30.647+01:00Antipodean - It depends on the tone, but I think a...Antipodean - It depends on the tone, but I think addressing someone as "Miss" is generally affectionate and wryly courtly - it goes along with walking on the outside of the pavement, carrying girls' shopping for them, and doffing hats (real or imaginary). <br /><br />Joel/Antipodean - Do you know if "norks" is an Australianism? I only mention this because it is only the second time I have heard it, and because most of the citations in the OED seem to be from Australia. If so that might be another helpful Australianism for the list someone is vaguely compiling.Mrs Malapropnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2629301231907528990.post-69943632849000924162010-07-20T12:45:04.303+01:002010-07-20T12:45:04.303+01:00What about if you call people 'Miss,' ala ...What about if you call people 'Miss,' ala Miss Podean or, if I recall correctly, Miss Biro? <br /><br />I use 'chick,' although generally not in a very positive way. Also 'son of a bitch,' definitely not in a positive way. On the other hand, 'bastard' and 'bitch' are used by myself and others (colloquially, of course) as both terms of endearment, terms of abuse and general descriptors, although 'bitch' is usually at one of the extremes. I can picture one of my uncles saying laconically "Neil Armstrong was the first bastard on the moon, ey." He'd be leaning on the bar with a beer and wearing his flannelled shirt because he is the stereotype. He also works in mining. <br /><br />And I have an aunt called Sheila.Miss Podeannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2629301231907528990.post-71035749537787047842010-07-20T12:41:50.140+01:002010-07-20T12:41:50.140+01:00My favourite is "female," as in "I ...My favourite is "female," as in "I like a female with whopping norks." With one word, the listener gets an instant subtext of misogyny, fear and social awkwardness.Joel Stickleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14270604410152020281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2629301231907528990.post-12746510239784436812010-07-20T12:12:47.571+01:002010-07-20T12:12:47.571+01:00Another is "bod", as in "the first ...Another is "bod", as in "the first bod on the moon". Presumably it's a shortening of "body", meaning "person". The writer is flippant but also perhaps a little meticulous.arniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13068830078875310006noreply@blogger.com